VC2 !MWP

[mro]

as I wrote
"after all this work need the community support to conclude the few points I couldn't fix".. this means that probably I reached a good result, but now ask that all of us study one of the above point: put at disposition the *.max files if useful, but now hope that everyone keeps one point to fix and improves, giving me suggestions..
e.g.: for sure Rick and Ando are expert of scripting, Zybero, you could study the Phy = definitions in User Defined 3dsMax..
who understood exactly all the collision definitions to be wrote? the tutorial is very poor in this area, and also not complete..
MWP are not the only things I made: flags moving at wind, dead soldiers, other items: and step by step discover that there are thousands of coded definitions, like @name, ^T, &, and other Phy definitions not included in tutorial.. part of them is clear, part to improve

[mro]

any reply?

[Zybero]

What exacly do you want to know in the Phy definitions?

[mro]

told you: points 5 and 6 of page 2 (this thread): collision of DShK AA locks the gunner and need a special collision system for mortar: did not well understand if in Phy descriptions could be a structure like: collision for pleyaer but zero for bullets (mortar) and opposite (to try) for AA gun.. some special definitions for particular cases.. and did you download the numbers in font?

[Chavez]

5) DShKAA METAL COLLISION
base, tower and gunbed "lock" player during exit: he can entry but cannot leave the weapon
SOLUTIONS
- no way to change values in script: "active range" and "active dist": even at minimum value
player is locked
- only solution I found at the moment is to create an ^S (or ^SF) object with collision linked
to its main mesh (base, tower and gunsbed): it is second in hyerarchy, before LOD's of
same mesh.. in this way player doesn't find collision but in the scene there is metal
body
PROBLE: the ^S does not rotate with mesh, so result isn't very good
TO BE STUDIED
- how to make the ^S rotate with rest: e.g. considering it as a LOD
- user defined collisions: might be something ("misshp" or "colshp", etc..) to overcome
- or adding an "exit" in script, applying the vehicle entry (like hey) principle.

6) Mortar COLLISION
since the mortar script is adapted on Recoiless script, I had to adapt a straight trajectory
to a "similar curve" one (to make the mortar shoot on ground and not to the sky).. but for this
reason the muzzle direction shoots against the mortar tube collision, and the missile explodes
at first collision it finds: result is that missile explodes on mortar tube
SOLUTIONS
- to overcome this I made the tube without collision, and then adopted the same solution as pt5
but as per DShKAA the "^S" objects do not rotate with weapon: we must find a solution
as in point 5

NOTE (FOR PT5 and PT6)
VC2 developers solved the these problems simply cancelling collision from some weapons: but I'd
like to do better, if possible.

In order for the new ^S to rotate with the rest...matrix multiplication must be programmed for it. Rotating and scaling any object in a game requires one of two types of mathematics(Euler mathematics, or quaternion mathematics). Im not sure if this is already 'hard coded' into the game engine. If it is, there may be any object with a rotating script (helicopter script perhaps) that may have lines of code which can be modified for this new ^S you want to implement. I hope that makes sense.

In 3dsmax did you check it heirarchy linkage to its parent?...If there isnt a connection, then there will be no rotation.

[mro]

ThankYou Rick
the way of linking in 3dsMax is: LOD0 then ^S then LOD1, 2, etc..
only in this way: first is LOD0, so AI finds it and doesn't have collision problems, then the ^S as collision object, then all the other LOD's, which properly rotate with LOD0.
But happens that rotation works properly only for LOD0 and linked LOD's "jumping" the collision object which remains static.
Tried with other collision object systems, like the old "!dummyname" but only with an "^S" works.
no way: it seems.
solution could be in two ways:
- leaving normal metal collision in LOD0 and improving script to let the player "going out": this could be done adding some lines of the vehicle / e.g. the jeep: the player enters and exits against the metal collision of the jeep door (how?)
- or using my idea, but with the bug that the ^S object does not rotate with rest: actually it has sense: the ^S is a shape for player and made to be just a "llow faces object" as base (you see that normally the ?S is just an invisible pyramid at the base of the MWP"



this is one of the few points which really makes me crazy in Pterodon system.

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add a thread "how to use new mwp's": pls read it

[mro]

I have an idea: see that in Equipement (e.g. the hats) the LOD's are blank in user defined and just name as >LOD then properly linked one each other.. I want to try to name the S or SF object: ">^S" or threat it as a "second primary in LOD hierarchy" LOD0 with user definitions and ^ with identical ones, second in hierarchy).. could try to see what happens

[daan24]

nice a mortar i was searching for a working mortar
hope their finished fast ;D

[Chavez]

Feb 23, 2010 9:20:30 GMT -8 mro said:

I have an idea: see that in Equipement (e.g. the hats) the LOD's are blank in user defined and just name as >LOD then properly linked one each other.. I want to try to name the S or SF object: ">^S" or threat it as a "second primary in LOD hierarchy" LOD0 with user definitions and ^ with identical ones, second in hierarchy).. could try to see what happens

Any luck with this idea mro?

[mro]

still trying

VC1
no problems with the two mortars because use the M79 codes, so easier for collision because doesn't shoot on tube
big problems with AA because VC1 does not accept collision objiect linked
VC2
quite good results for mortars because needs only a tube object and not other mesh
still searching for AA
tersting: !, > (second way to say "LOD" without user defined), and other ways

but for AA the main solution is to insert a part of the "seat on vehicle" script: forgetting collision objects and making player enter and exit via script.. unluckily not able to find the way to add pieces of script (still trying).. if someone helps..

others:
AA light I made an object with volumetrik.dds and looks good
adjusted scripts and now work better

main points to be concluded (unfortunately I'm not so expert in scripting: pls. help) are:
- enter / exit vehicle script for AA
- animation change (*stg aready in G) for mortars (instead of the MWP standard system "up, center and down"): also in this case it'd be good vehicle "*stg player" system

[mro]

B I N G O !!!
Cancelled all materials and remade with Physics definition: two days to test and now DShK_AA is working with collisions: well now I've got the way and proceed to adjust all other new MWP's.
About the light: I made an object transparency #4 lighting 10, 10, 255, 255, 255 no collision, opacity 85% and texture yellow alfa: a good light ray long 15 mts. which really lights background in the dark scenes

[mro]

I'm concluding.. just another couple of detailos and weapons are ready.. either vc1 and vc2

[mro]

It's long time that I'm silent because working on these mwp's: very close to conclusion

[daan24]

are the mwp's almost done? (im still wondering and it has been silent for a long time here)